Sunday Sermon: Worth a thousand words


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11 responses to this post.

  1. A nice thought, but I wonder if the world trade towers would have been there in the first place without religion.


  2. By that I don’t mean that religion had any direct influence on the buildings themselves, but that it has served to shape our country from its founding. Going back even further, freedom of religion was a motivating factor for a lot of migration. Who knows if someone crucial to the building of the World Trade Towers, settling of New York, or granting appropriate permits was not here because they or one of their relatives came to the United States to escape religious persecution.

    Just sayin’.


    • Posted by brachinus on September 16, 2009 at 7:46 pm

      A valid point, but I suspect “Imagine a world where we’d gotten past religion in the past few decades or so” wouldn’t have been quite as snappy. 😉


  3. Posted by harbl on March 7, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    You don’t have to imagine a world with no religion – just look at the Soviet Union and Communist China.

    The hundreds of millions of innocent people murdered in the name of non-religion within the past century are the legacy of a world without religion.


    • Posted by Lyndon on May 7, 2011 at 3:01 pm

      Communist China

      1 Taoism
      2 Buddhism
      3 Christianity

      Soviet Union

      in 1980s the Russian Orthodox Church had over 50 million believers and Islam had the second largest number of believers in the Soviet Union, with between 45 and 50 million.

      sorry on up yo date figers


  4. Posted by Anonymous on April 8, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    I don’t think it is valid to say that the Soviet Union and Communist China create a legacy of murder with non-religion. I’m not debating that it happened. Just seems like you are ignoring all of the murder do in part of religion. The Crusades, the Inquisition, Jihads, Hitler’s genocide of millions of Jews….etc. You can’t just place all this blame on non-religion and ignore the evils done in the name of religion. Personally I think we are all entitled to our own opinions. Just don’t try attempt to convert me, or “save” me. When we start forcing our beliefs on others by trying to do this is when things go awry.


    • Posted by brachinus on April 8, 2010 at 4:43 pm

      I’d argue that lots of “religious” atrocities aren’t really the fault of religion (i.e. they have other causes, but religion was used as a cover), and I’d certainly argue that godlessness is the very least of the Communist principles that were used as a cover by power-mad dictators like Stalin and Mao. But the fact remains, people who believe in an afterlife for martyrs are more willing to engage in suicide missions than people who don’t.


      • Posted by 17Ghost on May 26, 2010 at 11:23 am

        Agree. But the religion has some fault, because a simple fact: It was created by humans. Different humans from different places have similar ideas with similar purposes BUT for different people.
        The discrimination is a natural factor, even in animals is hard to not see it: Black ants vs red ants, just for example. It proofs that, actually, discrimination is inhuman. We should also known the difference between discrimination and election, because “election” is to choose what you think is best, but is not necessary to treat other things like garbage. For example, i choosed my friends in class, but i don’t treat my other partners as bullshit. But if i say: “He is not my friend because he is black”.

        Well, after that, is sure that whit people who have in their minds that the differents believes are dangerous, we will still be drowing. It’s also a message to atheism, at least to those who thinks that religion is dangerous.

    • Posted by Thomas on May 27, 2010 at 1:14 am

      The Crusades were a war fought between 2 extremely religious sides. The Inquisition was a unification movement done under the cover of Catholic conversion. Jihads are, for the most part, condemned by their respective religious groups and fought by extremists that often twist whatever religion they belong to. Hitler was, at best, a racist, atheist lunatic, or, at worst, a racist lunatic with a god-complex. The people he killed were killed because of their beliefs or life-styles, but he did not kill them because of his religion. I also agree that when you try to force someone to believe, or disbelieve, something, you often do more harm than good.


      • Posted by Anonymous on September 24, 2011 at 12:46 pm

        You need to brush up on Hitler. Hitler was a fanatical Christian fundamentalist who considered it a sacred duty to make people fulfill God’s will and not let God’s word be desecrated. Over 95% of Nazis were Catholic/Christian and all officers had to swear to the Christian God to gain their commission. Hitler’s closest ally was the Pope and the Catholic church has yet to ex-communicate him.

        He did kill people because of their beliefs or lifestyles, but it was because he was enforcing his own beliefs. Christianity is what fueled the Holocaust.

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